Armin Risi: Herr Cremo, Sie haben in Zusammenarbeit mit Dr. Richard L. Thompson ein 900-seitiges Buch verfaßt, mit dem Titel Forbidden Archaeology (Verbotene Archäologie). Die gekürzte Fassung dieses Buches, The Hidden History of the Human Race, ist in den USA ein Bestseller geworden. Der Untertitel dieser gekürzten Fassung lautet: A Major Scientific Cover-up exposed! ("Eine schwerwiegende wissenschaftliche Vertuschung entlarvt!") Was ist die Hauptthese dieser Bücher?
Michael Cremo: Die Hauptthese lautet, daß die Gesamtheit der archäologischen Funde keine lineare Evolution des Menschen beweist, sondern im Gegenteil darauf hinweist, daß es den Homo sapiens schon seit Millionen von Jahren gibt – in paralleler Existenz zu den scheinbar primitiven Homo-Formen.
Von Theo Löbsack
Unsere Vorstellungen vom Alter des Menschengeschlechts mußten sich bisher auf wilde Vermutungen und Hypothesen stützen. Jetzt endlich können wir uns auf Tatsachen berufen So kommentierte dieser Tage der englische Anthropologe Dr. L. S. B. Leakey ein Untersuchungsergebnis, das die Wissenschaft schockiert hat und das wahrscheinlich dazu führen wird, daß manche Lehrbücher drastisch umgeschrieben werden müssen.
Die Tatsachen, auf die Leakey sich beruft, sind Knochenfunde einer Urmenschenrasse, die er und seine Frau Mary am 17. Juli 1959 bei Ausgrabungen in der ostafrikanischen Oldoway-Schlucht am Victoria-See gemacht haben. Eine sechsfach geprüfte Altersbestimmung dieser Funde hat ein Alter von mindestens 1 750 000 Jahren ergeben!
Nach der bisherigen Lehrmeinung konnten die Urahnen nur bis etwa 500 000 Jahre zurückverfolgt werden. Nun scheint ziemlich eindeutig erwiesen zu sein, daß es schon über eine Million Jahre vorher auf unserem Planeten menschliche Wesen gab, die Werkzeuge besaßen, aufrecht gingen und mit dem Feuer umzugehen wußten.
The Voice of Russia and other Russian sources are reporting that a 300 million year old piece of aluminum machinery has been found in Vladivostok.
300 Millionen Jahre alte Maschine gefunden
Palaeontologists believe finds could re-write early history of human evolution
A recent news report from Vietnam features an exquisite and very ancient sculpture of Lord Vishnu. According to a press release from the Communist Party of Vietnam’s Central Committee (CPVCC) the Vishnu sculpture is described as “Vishnu stone head from Oc Eo culture, dated back 4,000-3,500 years.” Recently the Government of Vietnam, despite its official Communist doctrine, has developed many programs and projects highlighting Vietnam’s ancient religious heritage. Its scholarly and archeological research and investigations are legitimate and its conclusions are authoritative. This discovery of a 4,000 to 3,500 year old Vishnu sculpture is truly historic and it sheds new light upon our understanding of the history of not only Hinduism but of the entire world.
According to Puranas - the historical writings of ancient India, humans like us have existed on earth for millions and millions of years, going all the way back to the very beginnings of life on earth. According to modern evolutionary thought, humans like us first appeared on earth less than 200,000 years ago, having evolved from more primitive apelike creatures. Most scientists claim that all the physical evidence supports this idea. However, when I did eight years of research into the history of archeology, I found something different. I found that from the time of Darwin to the present, many scientists have reported in the professional scientific literature discoveries of human bones, human artifacts, and human footprints millions of years old. I put all that evidence together in Forbidden Archeology. Of course, this evidence contradicts the textbook theories about human origins, and therefore the book is extremely controversial.
One of them is the Namagiri temple at Nammakal. According to local histories, the temple dates back to the Treta Yuga. That would be over a million years ago. At Namagiri there are rock cut cave temples housing ancient deities of avatars of Krishna. One of the temples at Namagiri houses a deity of Lakshmi, the goddess of fortune. A famous mathematician, Srinivas Ramanujan, was born near here. He said he got his mathematical inspiration from this deity of Lakshmi in his dreams. Ramanujan's extraordinary mathematical abilities came to the attention of British mathematicians early in the 20th century, and they brought Ramanujan to Cambridge University. His work is still studied by mathematicians today.
Daily Bell: What about the land bridge to Sri Lanka? It’s been seen from satellites.
Michael Cremo: Here is an ancient Sanskrit epic called the Ramayana, which gives the history of a manifestation, or avatar, of God called Rama, who played the role of a king. He engaged in a battle with the ruler of the island kingdom of Lanka. To get his army across the ocean to Lanka he made a bridge of huge floating stones. After the battle the huge stones sunk into the ocean. According to traditional historical calculation, these events took place over a million years ago. Today, satellite photos show an underwater "bridge" going from the southern tip of India to the island nation of Sri Lanka. Many people think this is Rama’s bridge. I believe it could be, but I would like to see some further research. Some scientists claim that the "bridge" is just some natural formations of sand bars beneath the water. So it would be interesting to do some drilling. If drilling encountered beneath the sands some formations of rocks that should not be there naturally, that would provide some confirmation that the structure is indeed a bridge.
Daily Bell: Is there a great river in India that has dried up – which was in fact the cradle of Indian civilization?
Michael Cremo: According to many Western and Indian scientists, Vedic civilization arose in India less than 3,500 years ago. According to traditional sources, Vedic civilization has been present in India for at least 5,000 years, and in reality much longer than that. The Rig Veda is one of the principal Vedic texts. It contains some clues about the antiquity of Vedic civilization in India. One part of the Rig Veda gives a list of the major rivers in northwestern India. This list goes from east to west. The first river is the Ganges, the second the Yamuna, the third the Sarasvati, and the fourth the Sutlej.
Today one can still see the Ganges, the Yamuna, and the Sutlej, but the Sarasvati is not there. However, satellite photos and geological research on the ground reveal the presence of an ancient river channel, now dried up, just where the Sarasvati should have been. Along this dry river channel are the sites of many ancient towns and cities. According to geological studies, the last time a river was flowing in that channel was about five thousand years ago. Because the Rig Veda mentions the Sarasvati as a great flowing river, and also mentions cities in the area, the Rig Veda gives evidence for the presence of Vedic civilization in India at least 5,000 years ago.
Daily Bell: Isn’t it more likely that Indian civilization is ten or twenty thousand years old than a million?
Michael Cremo: Likelihood depends on one’s background beliefs. If one believes that the textbook ideas about civilization (namely that civilization first arose about six or seven thousand years ago) then the idea that Indian civilization is millions of years old is not going to seem very likely. But if we look at the history of science, we see that textbook ideas have often proven to be wrong. So it may be wise to keep an open mind about these things.
The Puranas, the historical writings of ancient India, contain accounts of human civilizations that existed millions of years ago. And there are thousands of temples and sacred places throughout India that have traditional histories going back millions of years. One reason why many people regard these accounts as mythological is that they accept the textbook idea that human beings first came into existence less than 200,000 years ago. However, in my book Forbidden Archeology, I have shown there is archeological evidence that humans like us have existed on earth for millions of years. In light of that evidence, the likelihood that Indian civilization is millions of years old increases.
The beginning of India’s history has been pushed back by more than 2,000 years, making it older than that
of Egypt and Babylon. Latest research has put the date of the origin of the Indus Valley Civilisation at 6,000 years before Christ, which contests the current theory that the settlements around the Indus
began around 3750 BC.
Ever since the excavations at Harappa and Mohenjo-daro in the early 1920s, the civilisation was considered almost as old as those of Egypt and Mesopotamia.
The finding was announced at the “International Conference on Harappan Archaeology”, recently organised by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) in Chandigarh.
Based on their research, BR Mani, ASI joint director general, and KN Dikshit, former ASI joint director general, said in a presentation: “The preliminary results of the data from early sites of the Indo-Pak subcontinent suggest that the Indian civilisation emerged in the 8th millennium BC in the Ghaggar-Hakra and Baluchistan area.”
“On the basis of radio-metric dates from Bhirrana (Haryana), the cultural remains of the pre-early Harappan horizon go back to 7380 BC to 6201 BC.”
Excavations had been carried out at two sites in Pakistan and Bhirrana, Kunal, Rakhigarhi and Baror in India.
A 7,000-year-old temple in Malleswaram
Malleswaram boasts of many temples, but none is so shrouded in controversy and mystery as this one is. The ancient Nandeeshwara temple at Malleswaram 17th cross was discovered only three years ago, but it has stood for 7,000 years on that spot. Being buried over the years hasn't diminished its aura at all. It still draws huge crowds all day.
According to residents living nearby, the temple was completely buried and the land above it was a flat stretch. "Three years ago, a politician tried to sell this plot. But people objected on the grounds that the land should first be dug through to see if they could find something," says the priest, Ravi Shankar Bhatt. And so when they started digging up the land, they found buried underneath, this temple. It was in perfect condition, preserved by the thick layers of soil.
This underground temple was enclosed within a stone cut courtyard supported by ancient stone pillars. At the far end of the courtyard, a Nandi was carved out of a black stone with eyes painted in gold. From its mouth a clear stream of water flowed directly on to a Shivalinga made out of the same black stone at a lower level. There were steps that led to a small pool in the centre of the courtyard where the water flowed and collected. The pool's centre had a 15 feet deep whirlpool.
Everything remains the same today. Nobody knows where the water comes from and how it passes from the mouth of the Nandi idol on to the Shivalinga. Nobody knows how the whirlpool came into being. The source of water, the sculptor, even the time when it was built remains a mystery. "There has been no scientific explanation for the source of water till date," says resident Shivalingaiah. "Some say it was built by Shivaji Maharaj. Some say it's older. But of one thing we were sure, the temple has remained untouched over the years. We found it exactly as it might have been before it was covered by soil," he adds. On Shivaratri day, overwhelming crowds gather at this temple. Some perform the `milk puja'. Others just come to marvel at a temple no one has any explanation for. The water source has been estimated by some to be the Sankey tank. This, because it happens to be directly in the line of, and at a higher level from the Nandeeshwara temple. But this hypothesis hasn't been proved yet.
This Malleswaram temple falls under the constituency of MLA Sitaram. Speaking of the controversy surrounding this temple, he says, "There was a court case initially. But since it was an ancient temple of great heritage and religious value, it was preserved and taken over by the state government."
Today, Sitaram says improvements have been made to the structure. "Since it was so ancient, the walls had some kind of leakage and started rotting after a while. The leaks were filled up and the walls were whitewashed. But no one has really tampered with the original structure," he adds. A Malleswaram committee has been specifically created to look after the temple. Committee president C Chandrashekhar functions along with a 11-member committee. "We are slowly introducing improvements in the temple to keep it in good shape. A lot of people come even from other parts of Bangalore," he says. The committee's next step is to build a gopuram in the temple premises. "But funds are a problem," adds Sitaram. "Every year the cost of maintaining the temple increases. I just wish the government would do something about this."
Ancient City Found Off the Coast of Mamallapuram
Mamallapuram (Mahabalipuram), India, April 11, 2002: An ancient underwater city has been discovered off the coast of southeastern India. Divers from India and England made the discovery based on the statements of local fishermen and the old Indian legend of the Seven Pagodas. The ruins, which are off the coast of Mahabalipuram, cover many square miles and seem to prove that a major city once stood there. A further expedition to the region is now being arranged which will take place at the beginning of 2003. The discovery was made on April 1 by a joint team of divers from the Indian National Institute of Oceanography and the Scientific Exploration Society based in Dorset. Expedition leader Monty Halls said: "Our divers were presented with a series of structures that clearly showed man-made attributes. The scale of the site appears to be extremely extensive, with 50 dives conducted over a three-day period covering only a small area of the overall ruin field. This is plainly a discovery of international significance that demands further exploration and detailed investigation."
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The Vedic Fathers of Geology, Part 5
BY: SUN STAFF
VRITRA TRIUMPHANT: The Waters and Sun Confined
(Varuna's Tree and Waters)
Illustrations from 'The Artic Home in the Vedas' by L.B.G Tilak
Nov 24, 2011 — CANADA (SUN) — A serial presentation on Vedic discoveries in Geology, from the book by Narayan Bhavanrao.
Professor Bloomfield, while reviewing Tilak's Orion or the Researches into the Antiquity of the Vedas, had, in his address on the occasion of the eighteenth Anniversary of John Hopkins University, very rightly observed that, "The language and literature of the Vedas is, by no means, so primitive as to place with it the real beginnings of Aryan life."
Inasmuch as he says that, "These, in all probability, and in all due moderation, reach back several thousands of years more," and naturally, therefore, he argues that, it was "needless to point out, that this curtain, which seems to shut off one vision at 4500 B.C., may prove in the end a veil of thin gauze."
And this gives rise to a series of questions, which therefore cannot be left unnoticed:
(1) How old are the Vedas, and to what Geological Epoch does their antiquity extend?
(2) Were our (Indo-Aryan) ancestors of the Rig-Veda times older than the Quaternary Period?
(3) Did they belong to the Tertiary Era?
(4) Had they seen the Great Ice-Age?
(5) If so, is there any evidence in the Rig-Veda or other Vedic and Avestic works to support the statement and fortify the conclusions?
(6) Is there any scientific evidence to prove the existence of the Tertiary Man?
It will be perceived that an answer to the last question would serve as a key to the solution of the second, third and the fourth. I shall, therefore, try to do justice to it first, in view of making our task simpler and easier, in respect of the rest of the aforesaid queries.
Now, Messrs. Medlicott and Blanford of the Indian Geological Survey by the Government of India made the following observations in respect of the Miocene deposits and Shiwalik Mammalia of India: "The valley gravels of the Indian, Peninsula, and especially some fossiliferous beds in the Narbada Valley, contain a few Shiwalik Mammalia, associating with species more nearly allied to those now living. Remains of human implements have also been detected in these gravels, which are probably of Post Tertiary or Pleistocene age." (Vide Manual of the Geology of India, p. LV)
But, the fact that man has been in existence from the Tertiary Period seems now to be an acknowledged fact, as the same has been proved by scientific evidence. For, Professor Ernst Haeckel of Germany says, "The first appearance of man, or 'to speak more correctly the development of man from the most nearly allied ape-form dates probably either from the Miocene or the Pliocene period, from the middle or the latest section of the Tertiary Epoch." (Evolution of Man, Vol. II, p 16, 1879).
Dr. Noetling also had, in 1894, discovered the works of Pliocene Man in Upper Burma. (Keane's Ethnology, p. 454, Edition 1899)
Moreover, Professor Keane has stated in his other work, Man Past and Present, that, "Flints" (worn and polished by human action) have been found in Situ associated with the remains of such extinct fauna as Rhinoceros * * * assigned to the Lower Pliocene." (p. 5, Ed. 1899)
Dr. Frederick Wright also maintains that relics of Man are found in the Tertiary Epoch, and declares that, "the expectation of finding evidence of Pre-Glacial Man in Ohio was justified soon after this," that is, in 1855. (Vide his work Man and the Glacial Period, p. 249, Ed. 1892)
And above all, even Sir Charles Lyell, the great authority in Geology, has admitted the existence of the Tertiary Man. from the facts available and the evidence placed before him, which he had personally scrutinized and sifted, and very ably discussed in his interesting work entitled, The Geological Evidences of the Antiquity of Man, with all the requisite care which the subject demanded. (Vide ante p. 5, Note)
Besides, relics of Miocene Man were also found in Further India, and therefore, in regard to this, Edward Clodd, President of the Folk Lore Society stated that, "Quite lately, there have been discovered in an Upper Miocene deposit in Further India, some clipped flint flakes, of undoubted human workmanship." (The Story of Primitive Man, p. 23, Ed. 1895)
Thus, the Tertiary Man having been proved, the solution of the second and the fourth question has naturally become simpler. The answer thereto is evidently in the affirmative, since both the Ice Age and the Quaternary Era were preceded by the Tertiary Epoch; while, our Rig-Vedic Rishis had seen the last and the Great Ice Age, and were older than the Quaternary period, as we shall presently show.
Now, we shall for a while turn our attention to the remaining questions, and see if there is any Vedic evidence in support of the facts alleged, and referred to above. In my work entitled, The Aryavartic Home and the Aryan Cradle in the Sapta Sindhus, or From Aryavarta to the Arctic and from the Cradle to the Colony, and in my larger work in Marathi with still greater details (both now in the Press), I have endeavoured to prove, by all sorts of evidences, Vedic and non-Vedic, Scriptural and profane, scientific and demonstrative, historical and traditional, that we are autochthonous in India; that we were born in Aryavarta on the banks or in the region of the reputed and the most sacred river, the Sarasvati, which was deemed by our very ancient Vedic ancestors of the Tertiary Period to be the scene where life had first commenced; that our Colony of young adventurers, having emigrated from and left Aryavarta, had colonised distant lands of Asia, Africa, Europe, and America, and settled in the Arctic and Circum-Polar regions, during the Tertiary Epoch, at a time when the climate of the Arctic regions having been genial, these were fit for human habitation; that at the sight of the new phenomena of everlasting Dawns, as also of the unusual long days and nights of the Arctic Regions, to which our colonists from India (Bharata-varsha) were not accustomed while living in their Mother Country Aryavarta, their astonishment and fear knew no bounds; and that at the advent of the great Ice-Age, the once genial climate of the Arctic Regions having been replaced by extreme, not to say unbearable cold, and the higher latitudes having been covered with ice-caps of enormous thickness, such of our colonists as had made settlements there, were compelled to retrace their steps back to their Mother-land Aryavarta, by the direction of the Snow-clad Himalaya, which was ever in their minds, and which they always remembered and cherished with fondness, as the Northern Boundary of their Beloved Bharata-varsha. I shall, therefore, venture to recapitulate some evidence here, in brief, to save reference, for our present purpose.
Manu, our very ancient, famous, and well-informed Law-giver (Vide ante p. 8), has in his Samhita, or the Code of Laws, declared Brahmavarta to be the God-created region, situated in Aryavarta and between the two divine rivers, the Sarasvati and the Drishadvati (II. 17). Evidently, this was supposed to be the scene of creation (Vide Muir's Original Sanskrit Texts, Vol II. P. 400, Second Revised Edition), and the pronouncement appears to have been made by Manu, not in the least without strong grounds. For, it surely rests upon solid facts, traditional evidence, and even Vedic authority which, therefore, we shall proceed to examine presently.
In the first place, the traditional impressions seem to have been current and even engraved on the hearts of the Indian Aryans of the Manu-Period, that Aryavarta has been their cradle; that this region was the source of pure usage, handed down from generation to generation; that as such, it "was even thought worthy of being copied and learnt by other nations on Earth, from the Brahmans; and that the country beyond the limits of the sacrificial Region, viz. Aryavarta, belonged to foreigners.
Moreover, if at all, we ourselves were foreigners in Aryavarta and had immigrated into the Land of the Seven Rivers, Manu certainly would never have said that, "the country beyond the confines of Aryavarta was of the mlechhas." Because, evidently enough, there could have been no propriety in using the expression.
Now, as to the further traditional testimony, I may here briefly observe that it is not only the Hindus or rather the Indo-Aryans that think themselves to be autochthonous in India in consequence of the hoary traditions received from father to son, but it is also the foreigners that consider India as the cradle of the Hindus. For, while discussing this question Elphinstone in his History of India says: "It is opposed to their foreign origin, that neither in the Code (of Manu), nor, I believe, in the Vedas, nor in any book that is certainly elder than the Code, is there any allusion to a prior residence, or to a knowledge of more than the name of any country out of India. Even mythology goes no further than the Himalaya chain, in which is fixed the habitation of the gods." (History of India, Vol. I, p. 97, Second Edition)
Besides, in regard to the deep-rooted traditions of us Indians in respect of Aryavarta having been our cradle, I cannot do
better than quote the words of the great commentator. For, Kulluka is the name of the exegetist who has written his commentary on the Code of Manu, and he declares in no equivocal language to the
effect that, "Aryavarta is the region where Aryans were born, and are born, and re-born, over and over again."
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